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Double Bottom

Sounds kind of dirty, right? Actually, it's because of a clean visual that technical analysts use this term. Technical analysts like charts (hence their nickname of "chartists"), and they like to give certain patterns they see neat little names.

Such is the case with the double bottom, which looks on a chart like, well, a double bottom. Think of three mountains (on a chart reflecting a rise in values) separated by two valleys (representing dips in value). The troughs of the valleys, and the size of the first two peaks, are generally the same, so the chart looks like the letter 'W.' The appearance of those two valleys represents a double bottom.

So what? Well, if you're one of those folks who believes in the power of the charts, seeing a double bottom suggests a long-term trend is about to reverse. So, if a stock chart shows shares falling for several months, then seeing a double bottom, chances are good (according to the chartists) that the shares will rise. And vice versa.

But, beware: charts can be a great tool, but they're more art than science. Use any charts with caution.

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Closing Credit Card Dings Credit Score

 
Leslie McFadden
Bankrate.com
 
Most savvy consumers know about the FICO score -- the three-digit number that companies use to determine interest rates. Even though Fair Isaac has published the main factors that affect FICO credit scores, many still wonder what will happen to their credit scores if they cancel credit cards or sign up for new ones.

With no clear-cut answers as to how specific actions impact a score, consumers must resort to trial-and-error credit management, or they do nothing for fear of making any changes that might damage their credit ratings.

We decided to touch base with readers to see what they wanted to know about FICO scores. From the responses to our newsletter call for questions, we learned that many people wondered about the impact of closing credit cards and keeping inactive cards, as well as improving their scores and re-establishing credit.

We posed five reader questions to Fair Isaac product support manager Barry Paperno, who has worked for the credit-score keeper since 1995. Here he talks about the ins and outs of closing credit card accounts. (His discussion of the effects of foreclosure and how to build a good credit score will be reported in an upcoming article.)

Credit scoring misconceptions

A FICO expert discusses popular misunderstandings about closing accounts and department-store cards versus bank credit cards.

5 questions for Fair Isaac expert:

Will closing lesser-used low-credit limit (less than $5,000) credit cards or lines of credit harm or help our overall credit scores, given two or three other higher-limit accounts?

I'm going to start by providing a couple of misconceptions that I hear regularly with regard to closing accounts. No. 1, that the FICO score penalizes you for having too much available credit, and No. 2, that if you close an account, you lose all the history associated with that account.

It's just not true that you can have too much available credit. That by itself is never a negative with the score. Sometimes the things you do to get too much can be a problem, such as opening a bunch of new accounts, but for the most part, that's just kind of an old wives' tale.

In terms of eliminating the history, the short answer is, that no, it does not eliminate the history. You can have a closed account, an account you haven't used for years, and if it's still on your credit report, if that account is 20 years old, you're getting credit for having 20 years of history for that account. As long as it's on the report, you get credit for the history.

Will closing a lesser-used low-limit account help or hurt your score -- that depends, and it depends mostly on how much you owe in relation to your limits on all of your accounts. For example, one of the most heavily weighted factors in the scoring -- and this accounts for about 30% of the score -- looks basically at your ratio of balances-to-limits on your credit cards. This is the area we call "amounts owed," if you're familiar with the five areas that the score considers. What's most important in terms of the scoring is credit card debt versus installment debt, such as mortgage or auto loans.

To answer this, it really depends on how much you owe on those accounts. If you close an account, and you don't owe anything on it, that account will no longer be included in that calculation that looks at your balances to limits on your credit cards.

So, is there ever any reason to close a credit card, from a credit score perspective?

Not from a scoring perspective, no. There really is never any good reason to close an account. I don't get to say that about too many things that have to do with scoring because usually you're going to hear a lot of "it varies" -- because it does. I can tell you one other way that closing an account can hurt your score: Once it's paid off, that account will be on your credit report for no more than 10 years.

An account that is open with a good history can stay on forever -- it could stay on for 20 years. The bureaus will automatically remove (a closed account) in 10 years, but that could be removed sooner if that credit card issuer decides to remove it. Once it's closed and paid off, that account then becomes inactive, and it's not uncommon for the credit card issuer after a few years or even sooner to just delete that completely, just purge it from their records.

In the short run, you maintain that history. But once that comes off your credit report, you lose that good history. One of those five areas that the score considers looks at how long you've had credit -- that accounts for about 15% of the score. That may or may not impact your score a lot depending on your other accounts. If you've only got a few accounts, that could impact it heavily; if you've got a lot of credit for a long period of time, that will probably not impact it by much, if at all.

Is there a difference between the issuer canceling the card versus you closing it yourself?

Good question. That would be a good No. 3 for the misconceptions. No, there is no difference at all. That's a good one.

Even though on the credit report it will indicate "closed by consumer" or "closed by creditor," the score only cares whether it's closed or open, but not by whom, even though it will say so on the report.

Here's another misconception for you: Does it impact your score any less to close a department-store card versus a bank credit card?

No. In terms of the credit card utilization, it does not impact. My only hesitation (is) in the long run there could be a difference, and that's going back to those five areas (which make up your credit score). The credit mix (is) like 10% -- and that looks at the proportion of different kinds of credit. The big categories would be credit cards and mortgages and auto loans. But then within credit cards, it breaks it down into whether you have bank cards or department-store cards. If you close off all your bank cards and they get deleted from your report in a few years, and all you're left with is department-store cards, that can hurt your score a little bit. Down the road that can hurt you, but that's a very minimally weighted part of the scoring. For most people, it's not going to matter a whole lot.

But if the reverse was true and you closed all your store cards, and just had regular bank credit cards, would the impact be the same?

That would hurt you less, potentially, because the bank cards count for more than the department-store cards, all things being equal. If you have to be without one, you're better off being without the department-store cards.

For many people, a store credit card is their oldest card. If they no longer want that card, would it hurt their score to close it?

When that (the card) comes off, if that's your first card, it has your longest history. Now of course it depends again on how long you've had your other cards. If you had that one for 20 years and you've had your other ones for 18, it's not anything to be concerned with. But if you had that one for 20 and then the rest of your cards you got in the last six months, and that one comes off, that could impact you a little more.

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